[openmamba-users-it] Masterizzatore sata:
andrea sabba
a.sabba a gmail.com
Gio 6 Dic 2007 14:37:05 CET
tra l'altro poi ogni volta che esce l'errore,
il masterizzatore scompare dal sistema,
non si puo' più montarlo e non apre nemmeno
il cassettino, per togliere il cd,
bisogna riavviare il sistema.
c'è una soluzione più pratica e veloce, senza dover ogni volta riavviare?
grazie ciao.
2007/12/6, andrea sabba <a.sabba a gmail.com>:
>
> ho fatto gli aggiornamenti che mi hai gentilmente segnalato,
> ma pur se da utente root, ilmasterizzatore non scrive.
> questo è il debug:
>
> System
> -----------------------
> K3b Version: 1.0.4
>
> KDE Version: 3.5.8
> QT Version: 3.3.8
> Kernel: 2.6.22mamba
> Devices
> -----------------------
> HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H62N CL00 (/dev/sr0, ) [CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM,
> DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD-R DL, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM, DVD-R
> sequenziale, DVD-R sequenziale a doppio strato, DVD-R jump a doppio strato,
> DVD-RAM, DVD-RW a riscrittura limitata, DVD-RW sequenziale, DVD+RW, DVD+R,
> DVD+R a doppio strato, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW] [SAO, TAO, RAW, SAO/R96P,
> SAO/R96R, RAW/R16, RAW/R96P, RAW/R96R, Riscrittura limitata, Livello Jump]
>
> SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-612S SS04 (/dev/hdb, ) [CD-ROM, DVD-ROM] [DVD-ROM,
> CD-ROM] [Nessuno]
> K3bIsoImager
> -----------------------
> mkisofs print size result: 179301 (367208448 bytes)
> Pipe throughput: 4388864 bytes read, 4373248 bytes written.
>
> Used versions
> -----------------------
> mkisofs: 1.1.6
> cdrecord: 1.1.6
>
> cdrecord
> -----------------------
> scsidev: '/dev/sr0'
> devname: '/dev/sr0'
> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
> Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
> Wodim version: 1.1.6
> SCSI buffer size: 64512
> Beginning DMA speed test. Set CDR_NODMATEST environment variable if device
> communication breaks or freezes immediately after that.
> TOC Type: 3 = CD-ROM XA mode 2
> Driveropts: 'burnfree'
> Device type : Removable CD-ROM
> Version : 5
> Response Format: 2
> Capabilities :
> Vendor_info : 'HL-DT-ST'
> Identification : 'DVDRAM GSA-H62N '
> Revision : 'CL00'
> Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW.
> Current: 0x000A (CD-RW)
> Profile: 0x0012 (DVD-RAM)
> Profile: 0x0011 (DVD-R sequential recording)
> Profile: 0x0015 (DVD-R/DL sequential recording)
> Profile: 0x0016 (DVD-R/DL layer jump recording)
> Profile: 0x0014 (DVD-RW sequential recording)
> Profile: 0x0013 (DVD-RW restricted overwrite)
> Profile: 0x001A (DVD+RW)
> Profile: 0x001B (DVD+R)
> Profile: 0x002B (DVD+R/DL)
> Profile: 0x0010 (DVD-ROM)
> Profile: 0x0009 (CD-R)
> Profile: 0x000A (CD-RW) (current)
> Profile: 0x0008 (CD-ROM)
> Profile: 0x0002 (Removable disk)
> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
> Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
> Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P
> RAW/R96R
> Drive buf size : 1053696 = 1029 KB
> Drive DMA Speed: 17203 kB/s 97x CD 12x DVD
> FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB
> Speed set to 1764 KB/s
> Track 01: data 350 MB
> Total size: 402 MB (39:50.70) = 179303 sectors
> Lout start: 402 MB (39:52/53) = 179303 sectors
> Current Secsize: 2048
> ATIP info from disk:
> Indicated writing power: 2
> Reference speed: 6
> Is not unrestricted
> Is erasable
> Disk sub type: High speed Rewritable (CAV) media (1)
> ATIP start of lead in: -11077 (97:34/23)
> ATIP start of lead out: 336075 (74:43/00)
> 1T speed low: 4 1T speed high: 10
> 2T speed low: 2 2T speed high: 10
> power mult factor: 2 6
> recommended erase/write power: 5
> A1 values: 24 2C DC
> A2 values: 14 A4 4A
> Disk type: Phase change
> Manuf. index: 11
> Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation
> Blocks total: 336075 Blocks current: 336075 Blocks remaining: 156772
> Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real TAO mode for multi
> session.
> Last chance to quit, starting real write in 2 seconds.
> 1 seconds.
> 0 seconds. Operation starts.
> Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
> Performing OPC...
> Starting new track at sector: 0
> Track 01: 0 of 350 MB written.
> Errno: 5 (Input/output error), write_g1 scsi sendcmd: no error
> CDB: 2A 00 00 00 00 5D 00 00 1F 00
> status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
> Sense Bytes: 72 0B 00 00 00 00 00 0E 09 0C 00 00 00 02 00 00
> Sense Key: 0x0 No Additional Sense, Segment 11
> Sense Code: 0x00 Qual 0x02 (end-of-partition/medium detected) Fru 0x0
> Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
> cmd finished after 50.529s timeout 40s
> /usr/bin/wodim: A write error occured.
> /usr/bin/wodim: Please properly read the error message above.
> write track data: error after 190464 bytes
> Writing time: 63.448s
> Average write speed 37.7x.
> Fixating...
> Fixating time: 33.231s
> Errno: 5 (Input/output error), prevent/allow medium removal scsi sendcmd:
> fatal error
> CDB: 1E 00 00 00 00 00
> cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 40s
> Errno: 5 (Input/output error), start/stop unit scsi sendcmd: fatal error
> CDB: 1B 00 00 00 02 00
> cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 40s
> /usr/bin/wodim: Cannot eject media.
> /usr/bin/wodim: fifo had 67 puts and 4 gets.
> /usr/bin/wodim: fifo was 0 times empty and 1 times full, min fill was 95%.
>
> cdrecord command:
> -----------------------
> /usr/bin/wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/sr0 speed=10 -tao
> driveropts=burnfree -eject -multi -xa -tsize=179301s -
>
> mkisofs
> -----------------------
> 179301
> I: -input-charset not specified, using utf-8 (detected in locale settings)
> 0.28% done, estimate finish Fri Dec 7 14:05:49 2007
> 0.56% done, estimate finish Fri Dec 7 02:22:59 2007
> 0.84% done, estimate finish Thu Dec 6 22:24:02 2007
> 1.12% done, estimate finish Thu Dec 6 20:20:45 2007
>
> mkisofs calculate size command:
> -----------------------
> /usr/bin/genisoimage -gui -graft-points -print-size -quiet -volid Home
> -volset -appid K3B THE CD KREATOR (C) 1998-2006 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B
> TEAM -publisher -preparer -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1
> -sort /tmp/kde-root/k3bS8uOcc.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list
> /tmp/kde-root/k3bPQessb.tmp -joliet -joliet-long -hide-joliet-list
> /tmp/kde-root/k3bdKrUac.tmp -no-cache-inodes -full-iso9660-filenames
> -iso-level 2 -path-list /tmp/kde-root/k3bQPfFHb.tmp
>
> mkisofs command:
> -----------------------
> /usr/bin/genisoimage -gui -graft-points -volid Home -volset -appid K3B
> THE CD KREATOR (C) 1998-2006 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B TEAM -publisher
> -preparer -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort
> /tmp/kde-root/k3biS2Dya.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list
> /tmp/kde-root/k3b4SqWMb.tmp -joliet -joliet-long -hide-joliet-list
> /tmp/kde-root/k3b1DOc8b.tmp -no-cache-inodes -full-iso9660-filenames
> -iso-level 2 -path-list /tmp/kde-root/k3bstlbYa.tmp
>
>
>
> 2007/12/6, Silvan Calarco <silvan.calarco a mambasoft.it>:
> >
> > Ho mandato sul repository cdrkit, una versione più recente e forse
> > meglio
> > mantenuta di cdrtools.
> > Quindi ti direi di installare cdrkit (richiede anche che aggiorni
> > cdrtools) e
> > riprovare con k3b. Quest'ultimo si configurerà automaticamente per usare
> >
> > cdrkit e lo puoi verificare notando che al programma cdrecord sarà
> > associato
> > l'eseguibile /usr/bin/wodim.
> > A questo punto prova e se hai ancora problemi posta di nuovo il log,
> > altrimenti cdrkit diventa un buon candidato per sostituire cdrtools
> > nella
> > distribuzione.
> >
> > ciao,
> > Silvan
> >
> > Alle giovedì 6 dicembre 2007, andrea sabba ha scritto:
> > > intendevi questo?
> > >
> > > System
> > > -----------------------
> > > K3b Version: 1.0.4
> > >
> > > KDE Version: 3.5.8
> > > QT Version: 3.3.8
> > > Kernel: 2.6.22mamba
> > > Devices
> > > -----------------------
> > > HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H62N CL00 (/dev/sr0, ) [CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM,
> > DVD-ROM,
> > > DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD-R DL, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM, DVD-R
> > > sequenziale, DVD-R sequenziale a doppio strato, DVD-R jump a doppio
> > strato,
> > > DVD-RAM, DVD-RW a riscrittura limitata, DVD-RW sequenziale, DVD+RW,
> > DVD+R,
> > > DVD+R a doppio strato, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW] [SAO, TAO, RAW, SAO/R96P,
> > > SAO/R96R, RAW/R16, RAW/R96P, RAW/R96R, Riscrittura limitata, Livello
> > Jump]
> > >
> > > SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-612S SS04 (/dev/hdb, ) [CD-ROM, DVD-ROM] [DVD-ROM,
> > > CD-ROM] [Nessuno]
> > > K3bIsoImager
> > > -----------------------
> > > mkisofs print size result: 335516 (687136768 bytes)
> > > Pipe throughput: 4192256 bytes read, 4176640 bytes written.
> > >
> > > Used versions
> > > -----------------------
> > > mkisofs: 2.1
> > > cdrecord: 2.1
> > >
> > > cdrecord
> > > -----------------------
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.22mamba
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and
> > newer.
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try
> > Linux-2.4 or
> > > Solaris.
> > > scsidev: '/dev/sr0'
> > > devname: '/dev/sr0'
> > > scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
> > > Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
> > > Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
> > > SCSI buffer size: 64512
> > > Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg
> > > Schilling
> > > NOTE: this is OSS DVD extensions for cdrtools and thus may have bugs
> > > related to DVD issues that are not present in the original
> > cdrtools. For
> > > more information see http://crashrecovery.org/oss-dvd.html. The
> > original
> > > cdrtools author should not be bothered with problems in this
> > version.
> > > TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
> > > Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'.
> > > Driveropts: 'burnfree'
> > > atapi: 1
> > > Device type : Removable CD-ROM
> > > Version : 5
> > > Response Format: 2
> > > Capabilities :
> > > Vendor_info : 'HL-DT-ST'
> > > Identifikation : 'DVDRAM GSA-H62N '
> > > Revision : 'CL00'
> > > Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW.
> > > Current: 0x000A
> > > Profile: 0x0012
> > > Profile: 0x0011
> > > Profile: 0x0015
> > > Profile: 0x0016
> > > Profile: 0x0014
> > > Profile: 0x0013
> > > Profile: 0x001A
> > > Profile: 0x001B
> > > Profile: 0x002B
> > > Profile: 0x0010
> > > Profile: 0x0009
> > > Profile: 0x000A (current)
> > > Profile: 0x0008
> > > Profile: 0x0002
> > > Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
> > > Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
> > > Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P
> > RAW/R96R
> > > Drive buf size : 1053696 = 1029 KB
> > > Drive DMA Speed: 16800 kB/s 95x CD 12x DVD
> > > FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB
> > > Track 01: data 655 MB
> > > Total size: 752 MB (74:33.54) = 335516 sectors
> > > Lout start: 752 MB (74:35/41) = 335516 sectors
> > > Current Secsize: 2048
> > > ATIP info from disk:
> > > Indicated writing power: 2
> > > Reference speed: 6
> > > Is not unrestricted
> > > Is erasable
> > > Disk sub type: High speed Rewritable (CAV) media (1)
> > > ATIP start of lead in: -11077 (97:34/23)
> > > ATIP start of lead out: 336075 (74:43/00)
> > > 1T speed low: 4 1T speed high: 10
> > > 2T speed low: 2 2T speed high: 10
> > > power mult factor: 2 6
> > > recommended erase/write power: 5
> > > A1 values: 24 2C DC
> > > A2 values: 14 A4 4A
> > > Disk type: Phase change
> > > Manuf. index: 11
> > > Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation
> > > Blocks total: 336075 Blocks current: 336075 Blocks remaining: 559
> > > Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10 in real SAO mode for single
> > session.
> > > Last chance to quit, starting real write in 2 seconds.
> > > 1 seconds.
> > > 0 seconds. Operation starts.
> > > Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer
> > ready.
> > > trackno=0
> > > BURN-Free is OFF.
> > > Turning BURN-Free on
> > > Performing OPC...
> > > Sending CUE sheet...
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: CUE sheet not accepted. Retrying with minimum
> > pregapsize
> > > = 1.
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Input/output error. send_cue_sheet: scsi sendcmd:
> > no
> > > error
> > > CDB: 5D 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00
> > > status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
> > > Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 5D 34 02 90 26 00 00 00
> > > Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
> > > Sense Code: 0x26 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in parameter list) Fru 0x0
> > > Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
> > > cmd finished after 0.002s timeout 200s
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: CUE sheet still not accepted. Please try to write
> > in RAW
> > > (-raw96r) mode.
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Cannot send CUE sheet.
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Could not write Lead-in.
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: faio_wait_on_buffer for writer timed out.
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Input/output error. prevent/allow medium removal:
> > scsi
> > > sendcmd: fatal error
> > > CDB: 1E 00 00 00 00 00
> > > cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 200s
> > > Writing time: 331.828s
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Input/output error. start/stop unit: scsi sendcmd:
> > fatal
> > > error
> > > CDB: 1B 00 00 00 02 00
> > > cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 200s
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Cannot eject media.
> > > Track 01: data 655 MB
> > > Total size: 752 MB (74:33.54) = 335516 sectors
> > > Lout start: 752 MB (74:35/41) = 335516 sectors
> > > Current Secsize: 2048
> > > ATIP info from disk:
> > > Indicated writing power: 2
> > > Reference speed: 6
> > > Is not unrestricted
> > > Is erasable
> > > Disk sub type: High speed Rewritable (CAV) media (1)
> > > ATIP start of lead in: -11077 (97:34/23)
> > > ATIP start of lead out: 336075 (74:43/00)
> > > 1T speed low: 4 1T speed high: 10
> > > 2T speed low: 2 2T speed high: 10
> > > power mult factor: 2 6
> > > recommended erase/write power: 5
> > > A1 values: 24 2C DC
> > > A2 values: 14 A4 4A
> > > Disk type: Phase change
> > > Manuf. index: 11
> > > Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation
> > > Blocks total: 336075 Blocks current: 336075 Blocks remaining: 559
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Input/output error. prevent/allow medium removal:
> > scsi
> > > sendcmd: fatal error
> > > CDB: 1E 00 00 00 00 00
> > > cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 200s
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Input/output error. start/stop unit: scsi sendcmd:
> > fatal
> > > error
> > > CDB: 1B 00 00 00 02 00
> > > cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 200s
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: Cannot eject media.
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets.
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill
> > was
> > > 100%.
> > >
> > > cdrecord command:
> > > -----------------------
> > > /usr/bin/cdrecord -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/sr0 speed=10 -dao
> > > driveropts=burnfree -eject -data -tsize=335516s -
> > >
> > > mkisofs
> > > -----------------------
> > > 335516
> > > 0.15% done, estimate finish Fri Dec 7 23:05:59 2007
> > > 0.30% done, estimate finish Fri Dec 7 01:10:48 2007
> > > 0.45% done, estimate finish Thu Dec 6 17:47:23 2007
> > > 0.60% done, estimate finish Thu Dec 6 13:58:33 2007
> > >
> > > mkisofs calculate size command:
> > > -----------------------
> > > /usr/bin/mkisofs -gui -graft-points -print-size -quiet -volid DivX -
> > ITA -
> > > La Collina Dei Coni -volset -appid K3B THE CD KREATOR (C) 1998-2006
> > > SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B TEAM -publisher -preparer -sysid LINUX
> > > -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort /tmp/kde-root/k3bjAPmXa.tmp
> > > -rational-rock -hide-list /tmp/kde-root/k3bXiyemc.tmp -joliet
> > -joliet-long
> > > -hide-joliet-list /tmp/kde-root/k3bvmJ4ec.tmp -no-cache-inodes
> > > -full-iso9660-filenames -iso-level 2 -path-list
> > /tmp/kde-root/k3bO0Ky7b.tmp
> > >
> > > mkisofs command:
> > > -----------------------
> > > /usr/bin/mkisofs -gui -graft-points -volid DivX - ITA - La Collina Dei
> > Coni
> > > -volset -appid K3B THE CD KREATOR (C) 1998-2006 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND
> > THE
> > > K3B TEAM -publisher -preparer -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1
> > -volset-seqno 1
> > > -sort /tmp/kde-root/k3bKT6j1b.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list
> > > /tmp/kde-root/k3bekKHBa.tmp -joliet -joliet-long -hide-joliet-list
> > > /tmp/kde-root/k3b5WvNqa.tmp -no-cache-inodes -full-iso9660-filenames
> > > -iso-level 2 -path-list /tmp/kde-root/k3bHwny6b.tmp
> > >
> > > Il 06/12/07, andrea sabba <a.sabba a gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > > > ok allora l'ultimo mio messaggio è inutile.
> > > > riavvio e reimposto l e opzioni predefinite.
> > > > cosa devo fare per mandarti i messaggi d'errore, non me li da, devo
> > > > killare il programma, se no rimene attivo senza scrivere niente con
> > le
> > > > percentuali a 0 fino all'infinito.
> > > > ciao e grazie.
> > > >
> > > > Il 06/12/07, andrea sabba <a.sabba a gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > > > > cmq dopo il riavvio, ho provato a masterizzare da root con kdesu
> > k3b
> > > > > niente neanche così.
> > > > > sono disperato.
> > > > > ciao.
> > > > >
> > > > > Il 06/12/07, andrea sabba < a.sabba a gmail.com > ha scritto:
> > > > > > ho provato ad inserire sulle opzioni di setup di k3b il gruppo
> > > > > > "nopermfs", ma niente da fare, mi ritorna: "problema i/o non
> > > > > > necessariamente grave", poi il programma non riconosce più il
> > > > > > masterizzatore se non riavvio la macchina.
> > > > > > ho provato a scrivere poi sul disco sata, niente neanche qui, nè
> > con
> > > > > > kdesu konkueror, nè con
> > > > > > /sistema/altriprogrammi/filemanager-modalitàsuperutente",
> > impossibile
> > > > > > scrivere su /mnt/sata.
> > > > > > non so più che fare ora provo a masterizzare da root.
> > > > > > ciao, grazie.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2007/12/6, andrea sabba < a.sabba a gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > allora ora studio un pochino, e poi provo.
> > > > > > > grazie.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2007/12/5, Marco Bellezza < superbel a hotmail.it>:
> > > > > > > > Prova a vedere se riesci a scrivere con i privilegi di root,
> > io
> > > > > > > > all'inizio così potevo sia sull'hard disk ke sul
> > masterizzatore,
> > > > > > > > però adesso il gruppo nopermfs ha i diritti di scrittura,
> > quindi
> > > > > > > > prova ad aggiungerlo al tuo utente...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:17:53 +0100
> > > > > > > > From: a.sabba a gmail.com
> > > > > > > > To: openmamba-users-it a openmamba.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: [openmamba-users-it] Masterizzatore sata:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > salve,
> > > > > > > > ho cambiato il masterizzatrore sul mio pc, installando un LG
> > GSA
> > > > > > > > H62N.
> > > > > > > > non l'avessi mai fatto, non riesco più a masterizzare.
> > > > > > > > ho provato cambiando il proprietario e i permessi di
> > /dev/sr0,
> > > > > > > > così come viene riconosciuto.
> > > > > > > > non riesco lo stesso.
> > > > > > > > non so più che fare
> > > > > > > > devo modificare il file /etc/fstab?
> > > > > > > > lì non viene elencato.
> > > > > > > > non riesco a scrivere perché é sata, come l'hard-disk che lo
> >
> > > > > > > > vedo, lo leggo,
> > > > > > > > avendo cambiato i permessi, ma non riesco a scriverci?
> > > > > > > > se si come, per favore.
> > > > > > > > grazie.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > mambaSoft di Silvan Calarco - http://www.mambasoft.it
> > openmamba GNU/Linux development - http://www.openmamba.org
> >
>
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